Exploring Dimensions of Fulfillment: A Spiritual Conversation

Michael Herst
00:00:00

Hey, one more thing before you go. Have you ever wondered what true soul level happiness feels like?

How exploring other lifetimes and dimensions can unlock unexpected sources of fulfillment? Today we're going to answer these questions and more with an extraordinary guest who's been working with archangels Michael and Zadkiel.

And we'll talk about that.

To help people discover happiness that transcends the conventional, she will take us on a journey through lifetimes, dimensions in the depths of our souls. And I'm really excited about having her back. I'm your host, Michael Hurst. Welcome to one more thing before you go.

Katish Haverfield has been on the show before and I'm excited to have her back again. She's a diverse as she is fascinating. A past life regression therapist, a medium, an author and a poet.

With degrees in business and marketing, a Dean's award for academic excellence and experience in the corporate and wine industries. She brings a unique blend of expertise and spirituality. As a mother and a healer, she understands the importance of balance and harmony in life.

We all need that mind, body and soul connection. And she's dedicated to helping others find their this through spiritual healing and much, much more. Welcome to the show, Kadesh.

Katische Haberfield
00:01:26

Thank you, Michael. It's wonderful. Be wonderful to be back here again and to see you again.

Michael Herst
00:01:30

Yeah, as well. I, I, you know, I say I loved our conversation last time. In fact, I reviewed it, you know, before we started this one.

And I think that you bring an invaluable opportunity for us to have a better understanding of spirituality and angels and what's on the other side for us.

Katische Haberfield
00:01:48

Thank you.

Michael Herst
00:01:49

I, I, I kind of changed my format just a little bit. Can we have a brief life story, just a little bit about where you grew up and, and where you are at the moment?

Katische Haberfield
00:01:58

Sure. So strangely enough, I am in my birth town back in Brisbane. I grew up here and I've lived many other places. But I grew up in a non religious family.

So I grew up where my father was Protestant and my mother was Catholic. And back in the 60s that was a big thing in Australia.

And so it was quite the controversy when my parents married because, you know, my father's sister had to convert her religion when she got married from Protestantism to Catholicism. So to grow up in a family that I would describe as non religious shows you that my parents overcame that religious hurdle.

They did bring me up in Christian background.

So the Uniting Church in Australia, which is meant to be a balanced perspective, but you know, my dad used to drop me off at church and Say radio, I'm going to sit in the car park and read my newspaper. So. So he said, my responsibility as an adult is to give you the groundings and then to let you decide what you want to believe.

I think that set me up for a good basis and you know, I did all the little things like go to all the church and sing all the Jesus songs and go on church camps. And then in high school I went to a non denominational private girls school.

So that meant there was no religion whatsoever, no services, no nuns, nothing like that. But I elected in year 11 and 12 to spend two years studying all the different religions of the world.

I hate to say that I can't remember a lot of it, but it was a great grounding.

And I remember thinking at the time when I graduated grade 12 and this didn't come true, but I remember thinking we had this amazing, what do you call them, Archbishop of the Anglican Church, who was our teacher and he had his PhD in theology or whatever it was. And I always thought his name was Reverend Dale.

And I always thought when I grow up I'm going to get him to marry me and he's going to do a blessing ceremony with something from every religion in the world.

Of course that, that never fared, but it was a, you know, it was my unique quirky kittish bit that said I appreciate that there are many different ways and views of looking at the world and there's something that I found interesting and invaluable in learning all the different messages.

But I started off at uni and I did a very traditional mainstream degree, so Bachelor of Business in marketing followed by a master's degree in marketing. I worked at the university and I went into a. My first job was with Accenture who were back when I started work.

Anderson Consulting, so largest management consulting firm in the world at the time. I worked in the e commerce world and worked in various different locations.

But this was back before, back before you could get content from the Internet on your mobile phone. So like my first job in London was working with seed funded dot, a wireless company who was trying to get the Internet onto your mobile phone.

And so I was pitching my services to like Virgin Mobile and stuff like that. But then the NASDAQ crash happened and I decided to go backpacking because as a marketer I couldn't promote stuff that didn't exist yet.

And I backpacked around Europe, reconnected with my love of food and wine and came back to Australia and I thought I don't want to go back into the consulting world. The dot com world is dead for a while. So I'll follow my passion and my passion at that time was to understand food wide and food wide history.

So I enrolled in a couple of different concurrent degrees in the postgrad world to study food and wine and went into the wine industry for a while, then lived in rural areas, then into back into university lecturing. Then I had kids. And when I had kids, my world fell apart because my marriage fell apart very quickly.

So I became a single mum from when my youngest was about 2. He's 16 now.

So I've been by myself for most of that time and in most of that time post that I have been experiencing emotions and understanding how to navigate emotions and mindset.

And that discovery has led me to a lot of photography, a lot of poetry, a lot of writing, a lot of alternative therapies, a lot of essential oils, you know, patch technologies and spiritual technologies.

So I've dipped in and out of different areas to, to get a sort of a broad understanding on the human body, the human mind, human emotional field, the mental field and I guess the greater quantum field of that which we are as a human being.

So unexpectedly, you know, post lockdown or during lockdown, I started training, as I probably explained to you in the previous chat, in sound healing. And that led me into understanding some shamanic concepts and practicing some shamanic practices and going into past life regression therapy.

And the latest update really has been struggling with and learning to become a channel for the archangels. So that probably has been my biggest thing is working through my spiritual gifts now as opposed to helping people with their gifts.

I still do that, but right now in the last 12 months, it's all been about taking my own gifts to a different level, which has been quite scary really, but profoundly interesting and fascinating and fear confronting.

Michael Herst
00:08:08

You know, it is an amazing journey to go from the corporate world to the past life regression and past life regression therapy. And I think that within that, within that in itself, I would expect that you would open up doors for yourself as well, like you just did.

I think it's a natural progression for those kind of things to start evolving within somebody. So I'm sure that although it's going to be another chapter in your life, I think that it's probably a very positive chapter in your life.

Katische Haberfield
00:08:40

Yes. Yeah, always. You know, a lot of people are planners and they set, you know, a vision for a year and a set of goals.

And I understand how that works in the corporate world, but in the spiritual world it doesn't because you've got to let unfold what will unfold. And it's totally unpredictable. And you just have to make a choice in the moment. Can I get over my fear to explore this?

Because the fear is, can I do it? Will I make myself weirder than I have been already? Is it going to help anybody? Or is it just an ego thing that I want to actually learn this?

Because there have been many things that I've tried to do that I have given up. Because at that one particular point in time, I thought, okay, so this thing. So let's take photography for an instant instance.

Photography was the way that I learned to see the light in dark moments, to see perspectives of color, and to monitor and track my emotions. So behind me you can see some of my photos that I did a long time ago. But it was how also I managed and expressed my grief when my father died.

And also through the various different attempts of relationships, which have been rather karmic, very fascinating and interesting, but rather, if one looked at the human scale, disastrous because none of them worked, but they all resolved. And past life regression has helped me understand how they all tied up and resolve karmic issues from other lifetimes. So they were meant to be.

But the human ego part of me goes, oh, you failed in that again. You know, like. But, yeah, that it's not the way it is. So I think I just got myself lost. But, yeah, you have to open up and say, can I. Can I.

Can I use this for myself? Yes, tick. And then can. Now that I've used it for myself.

Was the purpose of this just to be of service to myself or is the purpose to also help humanity?

And that's what I've been striving to do, is to say, all right, for each and every venture that I do, now that I've helped myself, how can I pay that back? Because it's an honor and a privilege to be allowed to develop these skills and many skills in one lifetime.

Michael Herst
00:11:01

Well, I think those kind of skills also give us the opportunity to expand ourselves and, you know, you open the doors to people to have a better understanding of their souls and why their souls are put together the way they are. And, you know, it's. Past life regression has always fascinated me. It's always been, you know, something that, you know, I am a. I used to be a.

An investigative hypnotist, which we used to regress people back to crime scenes and things like that so that they could kind of recall things and not the stage hypnosis. Completely different for anybody out there watching and listening.

And, you know, during that time period, obviously, we didn't really, other than the students who were practice on, practicing on each other. You know, we kind of delve into that when we're doing our homework. We'd kind of, you know, we're supposed to be taking somebody back to something.

We had to practice on each other and take people back. And then we kind of try to jump that. That wall to be able to go a little farther. Just that. Because we all were fascinated with it as well.

Do you think. And we'll touch on this, if you don't mind, do you think, or how does past life, like therapy that you do.

How does past life karma intersect with us in our present life? Is it something that we bring with us on our own? Do we choose to bring it with us?

Does the universe assign it to us so that we can work through it, or, you know, can you help us out, understand a bit about that?

Katische Haberfield
00:12:32

Yeah, it's a very good question.

And what I have discovered and what I have been shown is that karma is a concept that was predominantly created to describe the power of your thoughts. And the. The thoughts are the most powerful form of energy in the multiverse.

And so what we need to do is to help people, because humans have historically dabbled in understanding their energy and whether they come again or only stay once. And that has been, I guess, the mainstay religious advice that has guided them there.

But what I have learned in my sessions and my own personal sessions is that karma is not a religious construct. It's a way of showing you that you do go on and that your thoughts become things, Thoughts become emotions, behaviors.

And it's how when we don't resolve issues in one lifetime because of only being able to take on one perspective. So I did this.

This happened to me, or they did this, and this made me feel this way, or I didn't get a chance to talk to somebody, so I have a regret, or I didn't, or I couldn't have the capacity to have forgiveness for that person in a lifetime.

And so it's those threads of thought that either hold us back on this plane so we don't go to the light until we actually clear and have resolved within our own mind what we did or were exposed to in this lifetime, or we go to the light and then we resolve to review our life and say, all right, well, I didn't quite get this done, so I'm going to investigate this thread of thought and see if I Can experience it in the opposite. So I understand it.

So people can say yes, in it is karma, but karma is self created because it is the way that your mind unravels and unpacks and decides what were the consequences. And how did that help me in understanding myself, my soul, my joy, my happiness, my grief, my fear? And how has that expanded me or contracted me so?

A very long answer to a question, but I hope that helps. Oops.

Michael Herst
00:15:04

Absolutely. Did I think that, you know, we. I grew up Catholic, I'm not a practicing Catholic.

So I, you know, I understand the themes and the methodologies through the LEP religion itself. I also explored several other religions.

Baptist and Nazarene and Southern Baptist and Protestant and Presbyterian and Zen and Buddhist and all of those I know that, you know, they all have different ideas or methodologies of how we're supposed to understand karma and what karma is and how it is supposed to either negatively affect us or whether or not it's supposed to positively affect us.

Bringing it into a past life, how to say past life journey would be the best way to say it, I guess because we move through different lives and we bring things with us that like you said we need to resolve. I like the opportunity that we have from that level to be able to fix things maybe like you said, to get it right.

And because I think we all want to get it right. We all want to be able to get it right and finally like go home, so to speak. So how does I know that you're a medium also?

And just for those of it have not heard our other episode, I think it's number 254. I'll put make sure it's in the notes for a link. When did you first realize that you were a medium?

Katische Haberfield
00:16:35

I think would be most accurate to describe it as when I started working with all the crossing over of ghosts.

So when I could realize that I could help stuck human beings, animals and entity entities and I could understand their thoughts and sometimes I could hear their thoughts, I could feel their emotions and sometimes I could viscerally see them in the third eye or I could feel them in my heart or I could feel their wounds physically in my body.

And also with some of the beings that have not crossed over, I would immediately know that they were a past life connection because I burst into tears because I would know the emotional connection. And this would be confirmed in my past life regression sessions.

Because see past life regression therapy, you're not allowed to or supposed to bring in your other skills. And so that's why I have two sorts of distinct sessions.

The therapeutic official sessions, where I don't necessarily work with the angels because it's all scripted and determined, there's a process to follow, and then there's a special angel sessions.

And in those sessions, I use my mediumship as well, because in those sessions, what I can see is very clearly where there are ghosts to be crossed over, whether there are negative entities that are there, where there are things that I need to see that might help the client through any blocks that they are facing, that, like, I could say, look this way, I know there's something there. And then I wait for them to confirm what I can actually see. So the mediumship came in in multiple ways, and I.

I would never have confirmed myself as a medium. But by hiring other mediums in my ghost work and then putting it on the podcast, what that did was create the validation.

So when I was writing a book about ghosts at the moment, and these are all the ghosts that I have crossed over, and my initial thing was, I don't know whether I really did this.

You know, I had all these confirmations and, and signs, and I felt the emotions and I felt the energy of my body, and I have used recording devices to capture their energy and their words. And when I hired a medium and said, I've crossed over a lot of ghosts, her name was Megan, and. Or is Megan.

And I said, let's just see who comes through you. And I paid her for 10 sessions, and we recorded those and put them on the podcast.

And what that did was it was a confirmation from the beings, they were all humans, what their experience was, how they encountered me at the locations that they encountered me, and why they became a ghost. Now she lives in America and I'm in Australia, so there's no way that she knows any of the locations or any of the significance behind any of the.

The interconnections. And we also found that one of the ghosts that I crossed over had a past life connection.

And then I went and did past life regression to go back to that lifetime to find out why we were connected.

So it's taken me a journey to develop enough evidence to say, yes, I'm comfortable in saying that I'm in a medium, but also because I'm not a mainstream medium, because I haven't gone through, like, a famous school of mediumship.

It's been on the job training, and in particular, when I bring through somebody, if somebody was to come and pay for a mediumship session, for example, I could bring through the grandma or their friend or their brother. But most often for me, what will come through in addition is there'll be a queue.

There'll be the traditional people that want to have a message, but I'll also have their spirit guides, their past life connections, their past life animals, and their archangels.

So, yeah, there's a lot of energy that I can bring through that makes the kind of mediumship that I do a little different, but also understandable because of all the different bits and pieces, different modalities that I do within the framework of helping the soul understand its journey.

Michael Herst
00:21:18

And that's really interesting. You bring up archangels. We had this conversation a little bit before we started, and I find it.

Do you think your mediumship, do you think that opened the door to talking with the archangels, Archangel Michael and Zadkiel in particular? Or is that something that came aside from the mediumship? Did that come in beforehand?

Katische Haberfield
00:21:42

I think it was complementary because the very first message that Megan brought through, before we brought the first ghost through, she said, I've got Archangel Michael here. She said, I have to give you this message before we go any further.

And I was like, okay, that's interesting, because Archangel Michael is the person that appears the most in the past life regression sessions with the angels.

So I have a relationship with him already as clients, and clients have passed on funny and quirky messages from him in the middle of a hypnotic state. And so I was like, this is interesting. Let's see what he has to say. And he said, your purpose is to work with the angels and the archangels.

And I was like, at that time, I was like, really?

You know, and I still think back to it all the time, but to take it back further, you know, when I was going through the depths of my father dying and my divorce and, you know, all the decisions leading up and around and surrounding that, when I would go into meditation, I spent a lot of time in Buddhist retreat centers. When I would go into meditation, I would see Jesus's face very specifically, and I knew that I had some kind of a connection with him.

And one of my podcast guests was a channeler and is a channeler, and she works with the Ascended Masters. And I said to her on the session, well, you know, I'm born on Christmas Eve. I've always said Jesus was my mate.

It's a bit ridiculous, but do you think I have something there that I need to explore? Do you think that he could really be my spiritual guide? And that was, you know, very early on the journey.

And she said, and she laughed and she said, yes, go and explore that. And the Buddha, Buddha Shakamani was a name that I cried out to in my sleep.

And it woke me in the depths of my despair about deciding what to do about my. My. My marriage and the grief that I was feeling surrounding it. So I've always been connected to these spiritual beings in different forms and it.

With different names, but the angels have always been the ones that seemed least frightening from a. A perspective of. I guess when we talk about religious deities, we put them on this level way up here.

And for me, an angel felt more like my buddy or an archangel, like Archangel Michael felt more like my buddy than somebody that I was in reverence to or praying to, if that makes sense.

Michael Herst
00:24:23

Absolutely makes sense. I think that, you know, growing up in a Catholic environment, you know, it was one of those things where we.

We were taught that you, you know, the only people that could really talk to angels or Jesus or God really was to persuade priest. If you were a priest, you were none, then you had a better connection. And, you know, we, you know, you're not supposed to.

You can't talk to Archangel Michael. You can't talk to, you know, Archangel Ariel or Gabriel or Zad Kael or any of them. At least that's the way I grew up.

We weren't supposed to do that, that we weren't good enough to do that, or we weren't at that level where we were supposed to. So. But I've come to find out differently since then. I think that we all have the opportunity to open up.

I talk to archangels all the time, I think not to the level that you do, because I don't get messages like that. If I got a message like that, I would ask if I was in trouble first. But, you know, it's. Is it a good message or a bad message? Am I in trouble?

Or, you know, if I'm in trouble, then I don't want to hear it. But we all, I think. I think we all have the opportunity to listen and reach out.

I asked for assistance consistently, and they always answer from resolving things. Your work with both, especially Archangel Michael and Zadkiel, obviously have played a significant role in your work and in your life in particular.

I have a. If I can interject this, I've never heard of Zadkow before Zadkow.

Can you help us understand, you know, kind of what position he is in the archangel hierarchy and maybe bring us, Bring some. Bring some wisdom to that? Can we?

Katische Haberfield
00:26:17

Sure. So depending upon your perspective of the archangels, you'll either see them with a hierarchy or without a hierarchy.

They would say that they are the first energy of the multiverse. They were the first energy that was created by the Creator by whatever name you call it. And so therefore they.

If they were created first, then sure, human beings might say, well, therefore we should show extra reverence to them. But if they were the first energy created, then they are also the same as us because therefore energy cannot be destroyed. It's, it's.

It continually exists. So there is an aspect of us in all of the archangels.

So I guess religion has put different archangels as the direct conduits to the various gods, basically.

So in Christianity, Archangel Michael is what we call the big man or the big cheese, the direct access to God, according to Christianity and in different subsets of religions and denominations. You know, some people talk to Mother Mary, some people prefer to talk to whoever you are. So they prefer to say that they are all equal.

And if you have resonance with a particular archangel, then you can request to speak to them.

But basically they will appear and help you in the way that is best suited for you and your personality, how you've interacted with them in this lifetime and others and how, yeah, how is how it's best for you because they reflect your personality and how you like to communicate. And they don't like to be seen as a, A scary concept. And like I said, they like to be seen more as like your spiritual guidance mate.

But they're there basically to be an emotional support vehicle for you so that you can develop and reconnect to source or the creator or whatever you want to call it yourself because they are basically just a conduit. They. I don't like the analogy of the.

Sorry, my cat is they're not like training wheels on a bicycle, but they're, they're a tool, just like, excuse me, Oracle cards are. And divination tools are one way of connecting, getting information. Archangels are another way of getting and connecting with information.

And they would, they would also like to say that, you know, we as humans like to categorize and classifies things. So we like to say that this archangel is for this job and this one is for that job.

And when our mind is pressured with so many different things, they would say, please just talk to the first angel or archangel whose name comes to your mind, because that is the energy that you're most connected to, the frequency that resonates at that moment. And it doesn't matter if they're supposed to be the angel of divine guidance. For pets like Max, he always. He comes up when he's got.

He has some energy that is relevant or whether it's for mercy or forgiveness or compassion. Those categories are there if you associate with them.

But for me, what I found is I generally go with the first archangel that comes out of my mind or my mouth, and that's the one that I feel the most.

And as you build a relationship with them, obviously, the stronger your energetic resonance with them, the stronger you will feel their presence, because you know the signs and signals and you know where in your body and your mind you see them.

And then your dreams will confirm that, or your aggression sessions, or, you know, any tool of divination, or whether you go to a medium or somebody else, a psychic that, you know, anybody, they'll say, I see the energy of whatever around you. And you'll be like, yeah, okay. That sort of confirms that. I was thinking that I was working with this angel.

And then you might talk to somebody else who works with Archangel and Michael, and you might go, how do you express the energy of Archangel Michael or Archangel Zakayo? And they'll say, well, he appears like this.

And then inevitably, if you're talking about a female, for example, with Archangel Michael, they'll blush, right? They'll get all girly and they're like.

Because they see these reinforced images on the media of Michael is the great good looking archangel with the ripped muscles and the golden blonde flowing hair, and he's their savior, right? And that's okay. He thinks that's hilarious.

But when he presents himself to me, for example, so, right, we have the energy in the room right now because Max can see the energy. So.

Michael Herst
00:31:45

And it's interesting because I, I used to have a cat named max Honey, for 18 years before he passed away. So if Max wants to jump up and say hi again, it's okay.

Katische Haberfield
00:31:55

You know, Max knows so many people that I have on the podcast and have on podcast episodes. He has reincarnated with many, many people. I find it fascinating he knows them and he comes in the, in the regression sessions.

But I can talk about that later. It's fascinating. But yes.

So, for example, and I know you asked me about Zach Heil, but my relationship with Zed Kyle developed out of my relationship with Michael. And so with Michael, I see him and the predominant way that I saw him to start with, and all my clients saw him as was.

Do you remember the movie Singing in the Rain?

Michael Herst
00:32:37

Yes.

Katische Haberfield
00:32:38

Yes. So put the, the top hat, the tails, and the black suit on and tap dancing. That's how Michael appears to me.

And it's like ridiculous, but it makes me laugh.

And he would always end sessions taking off his top hat and bowing to my client and then saying something cheeky to my client, who would laugh and then relay it to me. And so with me, Michael is a bantering kind of like a buddy kind of a. Kind of a. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's the personification.

And it's just a personification expression of. Of his energy and my energy. But to other people, he may.

In a religious setting, he may come on and take an appearance that is very serious, or he's there to fight and be the warrior. So it is customizable according to your experience. Now with Zad Kael, Zad Kyle was an angel to an archangel to me.

And I use the terms interchangeably because they're not. But also they have been described as many different energy forms. And so to me, he is more serious because I haven't worked with him as much.

And when I see him and when my clients see both of them, my clients describe him as. Or Michael described him to a client as. He's my competitor mate. So it was basically like we both do the same things.

And I don't know if he's like, he's. No, he's not his archangel in training, but it's like his buddy that assists on stuff.

And because I do a lot of spirit releasement therapy work with helping souls move stuck energy, stuck beings in their auric fields, which is very interrelated with past life regression therapy. Zakai always comes along to help because Zakyel is the archangel of mercy, compassion and forgiveness.

And in when you are removing and dealing with beings, entities, thoughts and feelings that are causing and from your perspective, creating chaos and blockages in your life, you have to understand mercy and compassion for the beings in energetic, the human beings, the cats, the dogs, the aliens that are in your auric field, because you will initially feel angry and you'll just want the archangels to like stab them and get rid of them. Do you know what I mean? But that's not how it works because it's a black and white view on this energy is bad and it's in me and it's hurting me.

And what Zakyle has been teaching me is courage, compassion and forgiveness because it's a bit like the Ho'opono prayer. I forgive you. Please forgive me. I love you, Please love me. Bless your soul. Bless my soul. Namaste. Goodbye.

That's the kind of, sort of like the little thing that I go through and he's showing me that their energy has showed up because of your thought processes and the activities and the behaviors that you have engaged in lifetime after lifetime. And so yes, they may be in our reality of duality, expressed as a negative being or entity or a stuck being or someone that is hurting you.

But all of us ultimately come from non duality. And so therefore we are all the one energy. But right now we chose to be on Earth where we are exploring and understanding and learning.

And this is a very great place for soul growth. And so we are understanding light and dark and how we create things out of darkness, give birth and they come into the light.

So if you want soul growth, then you need to understand both and you need to understand the balance perspective. And that's where sort of like Azrael comes in as well. Because Archangel Azrael, initially when I saw him, I didn't see a visual image of him.

I just saw the. This other being, this other archangel who worked with Michael and Zad Kyle, but was always there when I was doing the crossing over the work.

And so I would work with Toth who would go down to the hell realms or in the Egyptian world, all the different underworlds. And sometimes I would have to.

And I just made that funny face because I'm like, I don't know if people want to know that sometimes I would have to go into the underworld to find a lost incarnation of a client who had put themselves down there because that the energy that was dense when they died and maybe died in a war, they killed someone or whatever it was. So they had self imposed themselves and put them in this place. Or maybe they were in the Egyptian world and they were an enemy of the pharaoh.

And the pharaohs lined their tombs with curses and spells, right?

And so I've had to learn to work with Toth to understand and decipher the spells and curses that pharaohs have put in their sarcophaguses and all painted around on the walls so that we can remove that curse from all of their incarnations. Because the pharaohs had a one sided view on their lives and anybody that they believed went against them.

They had spells that said, thou shalt never basically go to the light. So some of my work has been like within ancient Egyptian times.

And I've had to work down with Toth and how this relates to Azrael is I can see Toth very clearly and Azrael until recently only just Saw him as a figure of the light archangel, like St. Michael. But recently I was able to see the double side of him, which is a rather scary looking side.

So if you imagine like a double faced pantomime doll and the other side of Azrael, which is the one that can interact with Toth and go down to find the beings or to find those who are stuck in a self imposed helm kind of realm, he has to use the balanced approach of being the darkness to be allowed down there. But he has the lightness to protect so that he can bring them back up to the light. So it's very difficult to explain it.

But again, Azrael shows me different sides of him as I work with him in different facets of my daily life. So that's a lot. I'll take a breath.

Michael Herst
00:39:20

Yeah, that's fascinating, actually. Very, very, very fascinating. You know, the way that at least with the way they all work together as well.

Because I assume that myself, I did away with the hierarchy a long time ago.

And personally, from my perspective, when I reach out and ask for help, I list off a number of angels names and I've asked them, if you're busy, can you ask this angel to do it? Not that I'm just a person, I'm just an individual, a human being. And I try to do that.

I've learned that in my lifetime, at least this part of my lifetime. I know that before we started. I'm going to jump in if you don't mind, with this. Speaking of Zed Kyle.

Zed Kyle had wanted to come in so we could talk to him.

Katische Haberfield
00:40:11

Let's give it a go. All right. All right. So it's a pleasure to be with you here today. My name is Zakhael.

Michael Herst
00:40:24

Pleasure to have you here.

Katische Haberfield
00:40:27

How would you like to receive? What would you like to converse about today?

Michael Herst
00:40:33

I would like to have a better understanding of how we can connect with our angels number one and number two, without being selfish. Is there anything you see in my life that you could help me with?

Katische Haberfield
00:40:50

Okay, so I would refer you to what Katish did say earlier. The first thing that we would like humanity to do, and this is not just specifically about you, Michael, is to connect with their heart.

So what we see and what we have instructed her to do is, is to share small moments of happiness and to help souls guide through understanding the karmic implications of their thoughts. And part of that is self love and self judgment. And part of that is understanding that you are a personality.

Or as Katish would say it, an Avatar who is here to express and understand not only the multiverse and all energy, but also who, as Katish would say, who the heck is Katish anyway? I know I am part of a soul, and my soul was created for a reason.

And that reason, when I am in body form in an incarnation on Earth, does seem quite complicated and quite elusive.

And I can look for signs and miss them, but also I can be connected to the me of all times and receive commun confusing messages about what it is that I'm supposed to be here to do. So we have counseled Kish on this time after time, in the middle of the night, in the middle of tears.

And she just said, please don't say that, but we will say it on the middle, in the middle of being in the bathroom. And we would say to her, so what is your fear right now? And she will cry and yell and sometimes swear at us.

And mostly poor Jesus does get the brunt of that. And we would laugh at her and say, well, in another universe, your name is sworn upon here too by us.

And she says, well, I don't know about that, seems a bit weird. But she says, well, you know, you can be everything and anything. Why would I be here? And what, why would people be swearing about me?

And well, you know, Jesus came to send a message on this life about connecting with God. And it was misinterpreted but also understood. And in other circumstances, in other forms of energy, you do teach people how to be human.

And some of those beings in those seminars do get very frustrated at you and they do scream at you and sometimes throw crystals at you and other forms of energy because they can't understand what humans are going through because they don't experience the extreme levels of frustration and fear that was imbued in your not only nation, but your all the different dimensions that are as expressed as Earth. And so the first thing that we would like to share is that it's time for Earth to shed the intense entanglement with the emotion of fear.

And that is not your fault because.

And some will say there are very many different versions of this story, but Earth was supposed to be like a Garden of Eden, if you can use that, an analogy or that story.

A beautiful place with the purest of intentions, with the purest of beings who were all there to experience a beautiful, joyous, harmonious, love based environment. And so it was also going to have aspects of soul growth which we won't disclose here.

But there was fear that came in and was embedded into Earth from a meteorite like subs energy component that crashed into the earth, had the disease go into the soil. And so then this emotion, because it was from a planet that was experiencing duality, was imbued into Earth.

And so fear became embedded in every part and every fabric of the earth.

And so you have seen that despite the fact that human beings are competent and have evolved and are wise souls, we have seen a continual cycle of karmic based wars and confusion and death and destruction because we can't get past the very fabric of Earth which has been instilled with fear, which we never meant it to be. We meant it to be love. And so to some extent it is embedded in the DNA of humanity that there is this fear.

And we are working with Katish because she has agreed to allow her DNA to be structurally altered, to be one of the people who erases that fear, so that she can be the embodiment of love within her messages that she does bring. And so she has to clear all the blockages that she visualizes as stones or crystals in her heart in order to be Max.

Sorry, in order to be the love that we require. And she does not need it to be a great big mission. She just needs it to be one message, one joyous thing at a time.

And sometimes we do remind her that when Max comes and makes her laugh, that's because she finds this quite serious and nerve wracking to do the channeling. But we always provide her with a cat or a dog that does stupid things to make her have a happy moment in the middle of fear.

And even in the middle of the night, we can say to her, okay, we are going to give you a funny moment right now to break through this. And if not, we do say to her, remember Dumbledore? He said, go and turn on the light. And she does love Dumbledore and wizards.

And so she goes to the bathroom, turns on the light, and the fear goes away.

So we like to remind people that you need to find your own way to turn on the light, metaphorically or physically, in order to remove the fear from that single moment in your life. Because the overthinking about the fear entangles you with the fear and you can't see a way out.

So when you can turn on the light, be it through a photograph or a drawing, or even simply leaving your house and metaphorically or physically smelling the roses or the hibiscuses or the geraniums that are outside your door in a public park or somewhere, you change the energy and all we need you to do is to focus on changing the energy in that single moment so that you can resonate more towards neutrality and then hopefully, peace and joy and happiness and love.

And so what we would say to you, Michael, is to be Michael and to learn to navigate the self love component of not, as you said to Katish before judging whether you are doing a podcast or Zoom or a complicated one on the software that you do, but that it's all about the message that you bring through. And Katish does struggle with this too. She says, I have a podcast and it feels like nobody listens to it. What am I doing it wrong?

And we say to her, well, you do choose to do a one and a half to two and a half hour episodes. People are busy, what do you expect? And she says, well, I don't want to edit it.

It's my authentic self to present the entire message and I could break it down and make it a teaching, but I want people to believe in it. And we know that.

She knows that humans need to see to believe at the moment, even though they can believe first and see after, but we need to show them evidence. And for her, her podcast is evidence. And so it's a long, complicated answer.

But we would say, continue what you're doing and we know it comes from the heart and continue sharing what brings you joy, which is just the simple reflection we would say to you is like we do say to Katish, bring on the guests that bring you joy and don't over complicate it sometimes, yes, you do have a podcast listenership and they are varied, but they will find the message in what brings you joy, Michael. So, you know, you could turn this podcast into a podcast about mushroom foraging.

We wouldn't care, because if that brought you joy, that frequency of joy and happiness and love would be the most important thing that we would say was important for Earth right now.

So however you decide to continue on with this podcast podcast, just let it be your joy and don't worry too much about having to do things when you don't feel well. Although today we do realize that you were very kind and gracious to come on and continue this podcast.

But Katish already did say to Archangel Raphael at the start of this message, could you please send some healing to Michael and his chest so that he does not have any throat constrictions. So in knowing that she came on here today to help you, you were helping her.

And we are helping her because she was suddenly worried about you and your health. So we've already sent Archangel Raphael to help. So there is joy everywhere, because Archangel Raphael says, hey, this is cool.

I can go and be with Michael now. And if he wishes to learn more about me, then all he needs to do is to envisage the green ray.

And then we laugh and we say, what color did you wear today? Katish.

And if she would look down, but she can't because we told her to focus on the camera, she would see she's wearing green and the background is all green. And green is also the heart chakra. You can see the heart chakra as pink or green energy.

And so we would say that the Archangels have been involved at a subconscious mind level about making an environment which does imbue green. Because you. If people don't listen to this, but they watch this podcast, they will see the color green.

And the color that we have instructed her to purchase today. And she's still going, okay, is the most powerful heart opening, heart chakra color therapy color on earth, which is this particular shade of green.

So, see, we are working behind the scenes as well as in the conscious mind, subconscious and superconscious mind. And she did neglect to say to you that the. One of the reasons that you did work with Archangel Michael in particular was because.

And she has put this on the first or second season of her podcast, a recording where she was a monk, a Franciscan monk, in an abbey, which you know as Westminster Abbey in the city of London.

And so she did visit that abbey, and she did get a very strong feeling of anxiety and unwellness when she visited there long before she did any past life regression therapy. And her biggest thing there was that she was a monk in an abbey where she knew more than the Franciscan, what shall we call head of the. The abbey.

And she could also remember her at that time that the teachings that they were teaching was not in alignment with what she knew of God or source energy. And so she became this monk that was questioning when monks do not question the word of God. And they have beautiful scriptures written in beautiful.

We call it sign, some kind of sign drawing language. But it's just the beautiful script with the images. And she was just told verbatim to read and to pray and to do what it says.

And she said to them many times and caused great trouble. This is not the message of God. And they said, how dare. Who are you? You were just a lowly monk. Please have some punishment.

And so she did learn to do self flagellation, like in the movie the Da Vinci Code. And she can see that viscerally now. And she could see it viscerally in the past life regression.

And it still makes her upset because the cat o'nan tails and that disgusting thing that you put around your thigh where it dug into you were forms of torture and punishment that she learned to self administer for her sins because she was considered as sinful.

And so Archangel Michael would say, I did flutter around the church trying to send all of my healing energy and to show her all of the negative thought forms that she was creating and all of the monsters and demons in her mind that were congregating around her thoughts because she thought of herself as, even though she was a male, as wicked and not pure of thought and mind. And the head of the abbey did say, my dear son, come into this room, I will do it for you.

Because you are not just flogging yourself, you are crucifying yourself. Do you think you are Jesus? Do you think you need to punish yourself as we punished Christ on the cross for his sins? Let me do it slightly lighter.

And so for a very long time, she could never be in a round circular room because this was the round room of Westminster Abbey, which is in the older part, which you will see when now she's confused whether it was Megan and Harry or William and his part, Catherine got married. One of them did get go. The media coverage did go to the abbey.

And she was like, oh, I still haven't cleared that because they have gone exactly where I know where they're going and I've been there and I feel sick. And so you can see that it takes many iterations and many lifetimes to heal the trauma that we create.

When we do know that we have a spiritual connection, but we block it or oppress it because society says that we cannot do that. We cannot be that.

We cannot have this connection to either Christ or Source or God or Buddha or Muhammad or whoever your prophet may be, because you must go through a big person named, a priest or whatever they may be. And we say, no, that is not true.

But yes, you humans like hierarchy and we do understand that, so please forgive us, but we have been here all the time. And she does filter down who she is and what she should know based on evidence.

But we just told her something that she didn't know before doing this today, that Michael was there in the church known as Westminster Abbey with her, trying to get her to see through the darkness and into the light. And ultimately she died in that very church there, you know, mad, meaning that would be considered as Murder. And she is buried under that church.

And she has great karma with that area in London. And she has seen herself disembodied and with her head on pond posts on the Tower of London Bridge. And we won't go there.

But what we would just need to show and explain to you is that, well, she came to explore human emotions and be involved in guiding people through the fear because she has been through what we call disastrous, terrible, disgusting incarnations because they were just fear when they were supposed to be light. But she is human, and that was the resonance of the energy in the time.

So we believe that somebody like Max can give her what we call per therapy, where he puts his heart against her and purrs and helps her move through that energy.

And so a simple suggestion for anybody who is listening is if you feel fear, please grab your cat or your parrot or your snake, if you need a snake or possum that's outside or a dog or a budgery guard and bring that pet close to your heart. And they do vibrate through a sound that is called a purr or a woof or a bark. And even a magpie will do if you must.

But those animals are spiritual beings as well, who have been sent to provide you with what she calls per therapy. So to open your heart, it can be as simple as loving your pet and being close enough to your pet to be able to accept that hearing.

And the cat is crying now because he wants to go out, but she is busy, so he will have to wait. And sometimes you have to wait. You have to go to the next incarnation because you took on too much of a task.

Check sheet if you do say to be ticked off because you were kind of pissed off with what you didn't get in that last past life. And so Zad Kael is here because sometimes she misses my energy. And what we find funny is that she sees Michael the most.

But I, Zag Kael, have also been here with her and with humanity as long as the energy has been around. But everybody looks at Michael so well, you know, how do you want to see me? And that's why we have challenged her to channel Zad Kyle.

And we have always inserted humorous and funny anecdotes from her own life, which she finds a little surprising and embarrassing. And she does have it on her podcast, a series called Channeling Zaka, which nobody listened to.

And she's like, why did nobody listen to the Channeling Z Kyle? And we say, well, because you were afraid, you put it on because we said you should, rather than you felt the energy of, I love it.

I'm so proud of it. I want to do it. And so you did it with a closed heart. And when you are ready, you will do it again. But we're going to make you practice a little bit.

And so we are proud to come through today.

And we know we have not explained who Zakael is, in a way, but what we want to do is say, if you want to get to know an archangel, please listen to your heart, sit quietly for a moment, move your environment if you need to, and wait for the energy to open. You should feel it. It should be a warmth.

And then listen to the thoughts of your mind and say, I would like to connect with Archangel Zakyle and I will be pleased to be of service to you. And I will show you a unique and quirky way to present yourself. Present myself to you.

And I just showed Katish how I have presented myself because she normally sees me as violet and purple behind her eyes, but she laughs now because I look quite similar to Michael, but with. In a less heroic way. But I do present myself to her as a Roman warrior soldier, archangel.

Because she had many incarnations in Rome, and in those incarnations, I was trying to help her because the Romans were ghastly and disgusting and also brave and conquerors. And so now she can associate and she can see that I was there in those incarnations in Rome because she can see exactly what I am wearing.

And so that is how I present myself to her. Why? Because she needed courage and she needed forgiveness.

Because just as those who stood beside Jesus and nailed in the nails in his hand did say before, and also the same as the executioners say of Anne Boleyn would say, please forgive me for what I would do. And Jesus did forgive them and said there was no need to forgive.

But say somebody like an Amberlynn, but we will not say Amberlynn in specific would say, no, f you. You're chopping off my head. I don't forgive you. And then they hold on that forever because it was their. Their job and they should have forgiven them.

But do you see how sometimes I come through strong for mercy and forgiveness and compassion because I try to give her the mercy and forgiveness and compassion that she can't give herself.

And so if that is a way that resonates with you and your listeners and you need, like, some mercy and compassion and forgiveness for yourself and the things that you did or didn't do or did or didn't say in your life, Than before when you are aware that you are going to go to the light and you have had enough of this light. And we're not saying this is you, Michael. We're saying this is anybody. Check for your guardian angel.

Ask your guardian angel to wrap their arms around you. But also you're welcome to ask for me and say, zad K.

I'm not comfortable with saying, lord, have mercy on me, but can you please show me mercy and forgiveness and compassionate so I can reduce the fear in my heart so that when it's time for me to go with the angels or over the rainbow bridge or whatever chariot or a device that will take me to the place in the sky that I associate with you, Heal that fear in my heart so I can see the beautiful being that is there for me to see. And now we are done.

Michael Herst
01:01:30

Well, that was amazing.

Katische Haberfield
01:01:33

Oh, that was helpful.

Michael Herst
01:01:35

I want to thank zedkow for coming in and for sharing that.

I think that it gives a really deep understanding of why fear plays such a huge part in not only our lives, but those around us and how it affects us as a society, as a culture, and unfortunately across the world. It's kind of sad that that that actually took place and that it is still here and it still affects people in such a way.

Katische Haberfield
01:02:06

But, yeah, it's fascinating and understandable. It sort of makes. Makes me understand a little bit about the DNA part. Was a real surprise for me when I first heard it.

And so that I guess, like he was just saying, we are afraid, and to some extent it's not our fault. It's just part of what is to be a human now. But it's also time to move past the fear.

So use whatever method you can that resonates to help you in each moment. Yeah. Move past the fear. Move past the fear. Yeah.

Michael Herst
01:02:46

Well, I think there's some outstanding advice. I believe that it's an opportunity for each one of us to.

To pause for a moment and think about things in our lives that fear has caused us to either not do or to do because of that fear. I think that, you know, in those situations, a lot of us would look for forgiveness or for, again, compassion and so forth. So you did explain who.

We did have a conversation to allow us a better understanding of who Zed Kyle is. And I think I'll include him in my prayers as well whenever I speak to our angels, when we talk. So thank you for doing that.

I appreciate that very much.

Katische Haberfield
01:03:25

You're welcome. It's good to get the practice in.

Michael Herst
01:03:29

I'm sure, he's probably saying the same thing. It's another lesson. Here we go.

Katische Haberfield
01:03:37

She's paying attention this time.

Michael Herst
01:03:41

Yeah, that was kind of slick. And Max the cat keeps coming up and wanting to say hi. Real quick, what are some of the.

Since we just talked about this and fear and how it kind of blocks things and it blocks happiness and it blocks, you know, we all want to be happy, everybody wants to be happy. You know, we want to be happy in what we're doing in life, who we're with in life, where we're headed in life.

What are some common themes of happiness that you've discovered through sessions with your clients that kind of had to work past that fear in order to get to that happiness that Kyle has just said?

Katische Haberfield
01:04:22

So some of the common themes are quite simple and reflect exactly what you do when you allow yourself to do the things that you actually enjoy doing. So they're common sense. And you're kind of like, well, why did I pay for a session to do that? But that's reaffirming.

It's like evidence that your soul has liked to do this particular thing time after time after time, lifetime after lifetime after lifetime. And it's simple, but it brings you joy. So do it.

And I have all the case studies on the podcast, but also there are complex things that your soul has done. And they for me have been when I did my sessions, I thought I would go into love or something.

So I thought it would show me some lifetimes where I had happy love, because I thought, well, that would make sense. Because all my past life regression sessions to start off with were to do with love in some form.

Love of God or love of mankind, or interpersonal relationship love.

But what they showed me was why I love doing what I do, which is that I'm involved as different forms of beings because we have task incarnations and we also have experience incarnations that they showed me some of my multi dimensional selves that I was afraid to see. And they showed me being this teacher that teaches humanity tips for beings that are coming into the planet.

And they showed me as a being who I describe as like an astronaut being who does dive into planets when the planets are ready to, we would call them, explode as a human. They're finished, they're done. And we're removing all the sentience off the planets.

How me and a team, the avatar that is me, systematically scan the planets to ensure there's no form of sentience left on it.

And so it kind of made sense why I'm slightly obsessed with finding stuck souls on Earth because it's like, well, I sort of helping out myself do this. And it's also teaching me some of the skills.

So for me, you know, my own happiness sessions also showed me that I love babies and I love animals and I love angels and I love auroras. And I also love to get to know the different personalities of my different incarnations.

And I've always been able to connect with the different personalities. And especially I had many stuck incarnations myself.

And so the first part of my skills in ghost rescue mediumship was to find myself in multiple lifetimes. Just quite a interesting concept. But in finding those selves, you know, they wanted to talk to me and help me do finish their quests.

And I was like, no, you have to go to the light. And then we can do what it is that you are wanting to find that was bothering you.

But it explains to me how it's easier for me to connect with my other personalities. And sometimes I make their personalities more important than my own.

And they're like, well, your job now for the next few years as Katish is to allow yourself to find and follow these breadcrumbs that introduce you to who you've been on other lifetimes, dimensions, planets and so forth. But it's also to be able to push that aside and say, but this time I'm Katish. And what does Katish like doing?

And that is the same sort of thing that they would say to anybody, which is, if you want to have a happiness session, come, please do have one. And we will show you what your soul defines as happiness and show you the moments that will bring you surprising results.

We could even show, and we did show the how people exist as a comet. But also they will show you the small moments that will make you laugh. And then your spirit guides will come in and help reinforce that.

Because laughter shows us that you can imbue and embody the happiness and the learning all in that simple moment. So we want people to be happy, but we don't want them to be sugary happy. So keep doing what you're doing.

Remove the things that you don't want to do unless they're there for self growth purposes. Check with your angels and your spirit guides and your higher self. And if you need to do it, do that, face the fear and go through that.

But then please move towards doing more and more things that bring you joy and happiness.

Even if in the beginning it doesn't bring you what we would call an income on Earth because If you follow the breadcrumbs of joy and happiness, you give other people permission to do that. And we create jobs and industries and whole countries that are based on finding happiness.

And even some of the most basic civilizations on Earth, we would compare to the most technologically advanced, and we would say that on the happiness index, they are happier than we are, but they have less. And so they have learned the simple joys.

And sometimes we need to go back to the simple joys to then lock in those simple joys and make them part of a fabric of our existence.

So then we can create different sorts of joys and expand our growth through the journey of love and happiness, the journey of infinite love rather than the journey of infinite fear.

Michael Herst
01:09:47

An amazing opportunity for us to move forward in a very positive way. And that's what I always strive for when I'm having conversations like this. You know, we always have a choice.

We can move forward in a positive way or negative way. And choice is the key word in regard to that.

Give yourself the freedom to be able to take that jump, take that leap of faith, and kind of find out what makes you happy. And then when it makes you happy, reach for it.

Katische Haberfield
01:10:13

That's right. Yeah.

Michael Herst
01:10:17

And you help people do that. You help them. You have tools, you have books, and you have poems, and you have some things going on.

Can you help us understand how to get in touch with you with regard to all of those?

Katische Haberfield
01:10:29

Sure.

So my podcast is on all podcast players and on YouTube for those who don't believe or need some evidence about reincarnation and the journey of the soul. There's. I think we're up to 140 episodes. 100. And at least 120 of those are live case studies that you can watch.

The poems is a way of me expressing and understanding emotions and also past lives. So they're brought through.

The book is about a chapter about the entangled no more book is a chapter about my learnings as a therapist for past life regression therapy. And then I'm starting to do little group sessions.

So the one coming up which will be too late for when this podcast goes live, but there will be regularly, is alchemize your heart. And that's how to remove the stones from your heart.

So it's an energy session, but also there are wide varieties of different kinds of sessions, including the Infinite love and the Exploring happiness sessions on my website. And I would just say that don't let it confuse you.

There's so many options, but go to the one that draws you, because that's the energy that you should follow. The energy of curiosity rather than the energy of should.

Michael Herst
01:11:43

Those are. Those are some profound statements. I think that it's an amazing opportunity. Again, I love the word opportunity. I know I've said it too many times.

Some people probably get sick of it, but everything in life's an opportunity, right? It's an amazing opportunity for you to be able to kind of expand your happiness. We all want to be happy. Something that we all should be. That we all.

We all can be and should be. So. Yes. Thank you. I hope to. There was so much more stuff that we could talk about. I didn't even get close to some of the other stuff we need to say.

You will have to come back. Okay.

Katische Haberfield
01:12:21

Anytime.

Michael Herst
01:12:22

Yeah, you have to. We'll have to continue this conversation. It will have to be another continuation.

In the meantime, I will make sure that all that stuff in the connection and how to get a hold of you will be in the show notes so that everybody can just click and find you. And I'm going to do Zed Kal a favor as well. I'm going to make sure.

I'm going to go listen to that episode that you guys talked about and then I'm going to kind of spend. Spread it a little bit farther so you get more listeners for it.

Katische Haberfield
01:12:49

Thank you. Yeah, it's always hard to market yourself. That's what I say. It's.

You got to come up that self fear and self love and you know, I have a master's degree in marketing, but it's still hard for me to market myself. So they appreciate that.

Michael Herst
01:13:02

Absolutely. I think, you know, we can help move that forward a little bit. In the meantime, this is one more thing before you go.

So before we leave, do you have any words of wisdom?

Katische Haberfield
01:13:12

Just follow your heart, follow your curiosity, follow your passion, and you'll be fine.

Michael Herst
01:13:16

Those are brilliant words of wisdom. Very short, simple, and right to the point. I appreciate those words of wisdom. Katish, again, thank you very much for coming back on.

We will have another conversation down the road. I look forward to having that with you and continuing this one. And you can't see my hands moving, but my hands moving.

I said, yeah, I got to emphasize with my Italians, foul hands. We will continue this one and in the meantime, I want to tell everybody out there, thank you very much for being a part of our community.

Kadish, thank you very much for being here and namaste.

Katische Haberfield
01:13:52

Thank you, everyone.

Michael Herst
01:13:54

Have a great day. Have a great week and thank you for being here.

Katische Haberfield
01:13:59

Thanks for listening to this episode of One More Thing.

Michael Herst
01:14:01

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01:14:06

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