Halloween Special: Dive into 'Agatha All Along' with Our Family!

Hey, one more thing before you go.

In keeping with October's spooky Halloween theme, in today's episode, we're diving into the enchanting world of Agatha all along.

It's a new TV miniseries that's been casting a spell on viewers everywhere.

Join us as me and my family review this magical series, share our thoughts, our favorite moments, and a twist that keeps us on the edge of our seats.

We'll explore the captivating storyline, the unforgettable characters, and the stunning visuals that make Agatha all along a must watch.

That's pretty exciting, isn't it?

Almost sound like a movie.

The movie, you know, a movie trailer.

Yeah.

So whether you're okay, whether you're a fan of the original series or new to the magical universe, this episode's packed with insights and fun.

Just fun, we'll say.

So don't miss out, grab your popcorn, settle in, and let's unravel the mysteries of Agatha all along.

This episode is going to be cool.

I'm your host, Michael Hurst.

I'm here with my family, Diane, Katelyn, and Nicole.

Welcome to one more thing before you go.

Hi, family.

Hi.

Hi.

Hi.

It's been a while since all four of us have been on the show all at once, but I thought, you know, this is a wonderful opportunity for us to talk about Halloween.

And, you know, I know it's one of your favorite seasons as well, and I think, Caitlin, you guys enjoy the heck out of it.

When you guys.

Don't you go to the Halloween parties at Disneyland?

Yeah, we usually go.

We did.

This year, we didn't.

I don't know if we went last year, but couple years ago, I, of course, went as Scarlet Witch from Wandavision, so.

And that's why you're here today, too.

This is gonna be repping expert, repping Scarlet Witch everywhere.

Everything else is.

Everything else is packed away.

But I've got way too much, way too much Scarlet Witch stuff, so.

And.

And you look great.

When you dressed up as Scarlet Witch, you could, you know, just like her.

Well, thanks.

Court is convinced that when Fortnite added her to the game that they modeled her after me and not Elizabeth Olsen because it looks more like me than Elizabeth Olsen and I'm like, does it?

I don't know.

I guess that's cool.

Well, they owe you money then.

Yes.

I think you ought to invest.

They owe me money because I've.

I've paid them too much money.

Yeah, they owe you a huge refund is what they owe you.

We'll call it that right we'll call it that.

Well, obviously Scarlet Witch has a lot to do with this and you know you're going to help us out and understand that both you and your sister Nicole are going to help us understand a little bit more about because your mom and I missed a few of that and we know that it all intertwines together.

But let me tell a little bit about what it is for the for the people watching and listening.

It's A spellbound Agatha Harkness regains free.

I messed it up again.

A spellbound Agatha Harkness.

She regains freedom thanks to a teen's help.

Intrigued by his plea, she embarks on the witches road trials to reclaim her powers and discover the teens motivations.

Was created by Jack Schaefer.

It stars Katherine Hahn as Agatha.

Joe Locke as.

What does your lock play Teen or.

Well, I don't know.

Have we just 18.

Have we done a spoiler warning?

We're going to talk about it.

Yeah, we probably should give a spoiler warning.

So disclaimer if you have not watched this series yet, we are going to give a few things away.

We're not going to give everything away, but we are going to give a few things away.

So you should go watch it and then you can come back or you fast forward for a couple of minutes.

When you start hearing something we're going to give away, we'll say spoiler alert and then you can fast forward and then you can listen to the rest of it.

So we can intrigue you to come watch Agatha all along because I think it's a wonderful opportunity for you to jump in on a great show this October, actually.

Yep.

So stars Joe Locke, Shajir Zelmata, Jennifer Kale, Ali Allen, Alice Wu Gulliver.

I mean we've seen a lot of these, right?

Patti LuPone and Aubrey Plaza.

It is.

Yeah, it's a really great cast and I think that we should probably get a little foundation when I said that she gains her freedom.

So Caitlin Nicole, who wants to jump in and let everybody know where this all kind of came from and where it originates?

Oh, you do it.

Okay.

Well, at the.

So at the.

This is also going to have spoilers for WandaVision.

So if you haven't seen WandaVision, there will be spoilers for that.

So at the end of WandaVision, Agatha helps Wanda basically come into her power as the Scarlet witch Helps because she does it unintentionally.

So because she becomes a Scarlet witch, she then traps Agatha in a spell in her own mind.

So she's trapped in this spell.

And it's also going to have spoilers for Multiverse of Madness, Doctor Strange, because it's all interconnected.

I mean, it's been years since any of that came out, so.

I know.

But still a week ago.

That's true, but spoilers all around.

So at the end, the very end, after the credits of the last episode of WandaVision, it shows Wanda studying the Darkhold, which is the book that is.

It's like the Evil Manifesto.

It teaches all the witches how to do not necessarily great things.

So the Darkhold then gets destroyed in a multiverse of madness when Scarlet Witch basically supposedly sacrifices herself to destroy the Darkhold.

That's.

That's.

That's the most concise way of putting it.

So Agatha picks up after those events, and she's still trapped in the spell because Scarlet Witch is allegedly dead.

So that's when.

That's when the show picks up.

So she's still trapped in her own mind, but the citizens of Westview are not.

They are free of the spell because they.

That broke free in WandaVision.

So only.

Only Agatha is trapped.

That's where it starts, which I think.

Is really cool, because in reality, we.

Like when your mom and I picked.

Picked up, you know, in the beginning, and we watched from the beginning.

I had.

I was very confused.

Yeah, we were confused.

I know.

I got a text.

I got the funniest text that made me laugh.

You're like, hey, is Wanda dead?

Like, wow.

Okay.

I mean.

Okay.

It had been a long time since we'd seen WandaVision, and it had been a long time since we saw Dr.

Strange.

I don't.

Look, I have to see something, like, pretty quickly after if it's going to pick up from somewhere, because my memory is shot at this point in my life.

So I was very confused.

And I literally, the first few episodes, I wasn't even into it.

I was like, I don't know what the heck is happening here, but I love, love, love Kathryn Hahn so much that I cannot take my eyes off of her.

And that's the reason I stayed.

And I'm glad I stayed because it then started picking up and making a little more sense.

But now hearing your explanation, that helped a lot.

So.

Yeah, well.

And in your defense, there's, like, whiplash going from WandaVision to Doctor Strange.

That whole thing is like, yeah, yeah, we won't.

We don't need to talk about that.

But it's hard.

It's hard to keep up with it.

Yeah.

Now, Nicole.

Nicole, did you keep up with Everything.

Right from the beginning, I did.

The only thing is that when I think it maybe was the trailer for Multiverse of Madness, I was really, really confused why she kind of.

Why Wanda kind of went a little nesso and became evil, because I didn't realize that there was a final scene after WandaVision where she was studying the Darkhold.

The last I knew was just her, like, saying goodbye to her family and then putting Agatha under the spell and just being back to normal.

So I was like.

I texted Katie, and I was like, when did she become evil?

And she's like, from the last scene.

And I'm like, what are you talking about?

And I literally had to go back and fast forward all the way to the end just to understand that.

But other than that.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah.

I'm sure that that wasn't.

You weren't the only one, probably.

In fact.

Did we see that, Michael?

Did we see the last scene of Wanda?

We did, but we just didn't.

I.

I had to tell you guys to make sure to watch it before you saw Dr.

Strange, because Nikki.

When I found out Nikki didn't see it, I was like, there's no way you guys saw it.

So then I made sure you wrote.

Right.

Yeah.

Okay.

Because.

So I'm sure that there's a lot of people out there who didn't see it.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Well, the thing with the Darkhold is it corrupts the person who studies it.

So that's where Agatha had it, and then Wanda took it from her.

So, okay, so Agatha was corrupted first.

From it in the last scene, if I remember right.

And again, spoiler alert.

If I remember right, it showed Wanda at a cabin near a lake, kind of a thing.

And we won't go too much in depth because, again, that's what I had not seen it.

But, yeah.

Yeah.

So.

Yeah, so the Darkhold is a.

Is a book that's like.

It corrupts the user, basically.

So that's why she gets the black fingers.

It's like.

It's a thing.

So in Agatha all along, there's a scene where Agatha sees the Darkhold and kind of freaks out a little bit.

And once she breaks free of the spell, of course.

I mean, how much are we going into the plot?

Let's go on the plot.

This is a review.

Look, everybody knows this is a review of the television series itself, the miniseries.

Hopefully, most everybody's out there has seen it.

The ones that haven't seen it, again, you know, just keep in mind that we may give some things away, but we're not going to give away everything.

So what is that voice said?

Maverick.

Maverick whining at a dog outside.

He's part of the family, too.

Sorry.

That's okay.

I thought it was.

I just was thinking, oh, we're hearing voices now?

I'm sorry.

Yeah.

So.

Okay, so there's a scene.

So.

Okay, so we can also get into the comic book lore, which I haven't read the books, but, of course, I've learned all about them.

So.

In the books, Agatha is completely different.

She's actually Wanda's mentor.

She's not like.

They're not.

They're not enemies.

Yeah, they're actually.

She's a mentor, so she's the one that teaches her how to, like, do these things.

So they changed that a little bit.

And so at the end of WandaVision, when she traps her in the spell, she says, you're gonna need me.

And Wanda says, I'll know where to find you if I do.

So I am not convinced that she's dead, because nobody's ever really dead in Marvel until they're like, that's true.

You know, that's true.

I think at the end, I don't think they showed her kind of enjoying the lake and the cabin.

And.

Well, that was before Multiverse of Madness.

So I think she supposedly died at the end of Multiverse of Madness.

And so.

But they didn't show her body.

Keyword.

It's the multiverse.

So, like.

Right.

So, okay, so now where do we go?

Okay, so.

The Darkhold.

That's what I was saying.

So there's a scene where she looks at the Darkhold and freaks out about it.

And that's because.

Spoiler.

In the comic books, Agatha gave up her son.

Her.

Her baby for the Darkhold.

So that's why his name is Nicholas Scratch.

And that's her.

Her.

Her baby's name.

So she had given him up for the Darkhold.

So that's why that.

That happened.

And I think it was episode two.

Three.

Maybe Episode three.

They were in the house.

Like.

Yeah, it was two.

It was the first trial, so whatever that was.

So, yeah.

And then later on, she hears her son's name or her son's voice saying, you know, mama, stop.

And so that's why she knows he's.

I'm gonna get super nerdy about this if we.

Like, that's great.

So, okay, so when.

When Teen came up, when.

That.

When.

When the teenager appeared to help break her out of the spell, she, I think, thought that it was her son.

Yep.

She didn't know.

So then when Aubrey Plaza's character said that boy is not yours, then.

Then she heard his voice.

It's kind of confirmed that.

That he was dead.

So then.

Right.

So then all of us.

Well, the people following the fan lore pretty much figured out who Teen was before.

Before they revealed it, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So.

Yeah.

Which we won't reveal.

Which we won't reveal.

That'll be a secret.

I mean, we kind of might have to.

That's a big spoiler, though.

Both Agatha all along social pages, and I think Disney plus and Hulu all showed the video of him saying who he was, like, the night that it premiered.

So.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, we're not really.

Like I said, this is.

Yeah, this is a review of this from watching it.

So we've given a disclaimer that, you know, if you haven't seen it yet, then we're gonna give some stuff away.

It's hard for me to do these.

I know we do these most Sundays, but I.

There's nothing I hate.

Almost nothing I hate more than spoilers.

And your dad will be like, hey, I saw this new show that advertised.

And he tells me.

He starts to tell me all about it before we've even watched it.

And I'm like, stop talking.

I don't want to know what it is.

Just tell me who's in it.

Okay, I'm sold.

I watch it like, that's great.

And when she doesn't tell you girls that she beats me.

She hits me with a big stick.

Turn it off, turn it off, turn it off.

So it's.

It's hard for me to.

I mean, I.

I worry about spoilers, but you're right.

If they've already said all this stuff.

Then, yeah, you know, it.

It's.

To me, it was.

Look, when we first got into it, we.

I know we wanted to watch it because obviously we're fans and the whole bit.

And in understanding that, the journey itself, I think we were really interested.

I like how pretty much everybody in town knew what was going on, but she, you know, and she made her a detective.

Thank you, Maverick.

She made her a detective.

That's his opinion on the subject.

So, you know, I thought, what a unique approach because she was such a villain, right?

Such a.

Such a, you know, bad witch that, you know, all of a sudden here, she's.

She's like a cop and.

But she's got this attitude that's just.

Yeah, major, major attitude.

Although I think it was also.

Go ahead.

I say, I think I've Known some cops with that kind of an attitude.

So it wasn't too far off.

Yes, you have.

Yeah.

Well, I like that it was the vibes of WandaVision at first of like being stuck in a show or like stuck in a genre.

But like that was the one that she picked.

There is so much too.

If you look, if you watch it again, knowing like how it progresses, there's a lot of little details that, that come up in those first few.

So you like go back and watch it.

It's.

There's.

It's very, very detailed.

So like, I knew we should.

I knew it would be good, but I actually didn't expect it to be so detailed and so good.

So that might help me like those episodes because I didn't really like the episodes.

Like I said, I almost stopped watching it.

So maybe.

Yeah, maybe I'll do that.

Yeah, you'll like them more watching back.

Yeah, cool.

But I.

So far, I mean, we watched it up to the last.

I know there's like nine episodes, I think is what they're putting out on this.

And we're.

We're at episode.

Do we get to nine?

We got through nine.

We got.

No, we got whatever the last episode was.

We're.

We're caught up.

Yeah.

There's two episodes left.

They'll be, they'll be on the same day.

The last one was.

Then we watched episode seven.

It was the last one we watched.

And.

And they were still working their way down the road.

The witches road and the witches road is kind of a.

One of your girls have to help us understand what the end result of the witches road.

Well, I don't think we know yet.

I think the point of it is they're supposed to be searching for something.

They're supposed to get what their heart's desire is or something each.

Right, Right.

So one of them's looking for.

To get her power back.

One was looking to break the curse.

We don't really know all of their intentions though.

So I think Agatha is there to try to get her power back because once the spell was broken, she didn't have any power.

So she's there to try to get her power back.

And teen was.

I thought his goal was to find his mom.

That's how I thought they were.

Well, now I.

Yeah, now I think it's his brother.

So.

Yeah, we haven't said.

We haven't said who he is officially in.

In this episode, but.

Right.

But if you're a big fan.

I mean if you're a fan of this whole series and you're a fan of, you know, the W division and all this, you kind of would have an inkling.

You know, we kind of were trying to guess at the same thing.

Especially when in the beginning, you know, he was going through his bar mitzvah and he went.

He walked in and saw.

I always forget her name.

Patty.

Lilia.

Patty LuPone.

Lilia, yeah.

Yeah.

And Patty LuPone was in there and started to read him and she kind of saw something which I thought was, you know, unique.

We're.

We're kind of jumping all over the place.

But in the first place, Teen had what was called a sigil on him.

So he couldn't say who he was for the first few episodes.

Nobody could hear it.

It was like a spell that sealed who.

Sealed who he was.

So I liked that little twist there.

I thought she did that to him though, when she did that whole thing.

Yeah, she did.

She was the one that.

It wasn't her doing that to him.

She was trying to hear what he was saying, but something wasn't allowing it to happen.

So the sigil is, Is.

Was done by Patti LuPone's character.

Yeah.

What happens is.

Yeah, yeah.

But once it's cast that the person who did it also forgets.

So that's why she forgot thing that she put in his pocket when he broke it.

The sigil was broken.

Yeah.

Tile thing.

Yeah.

Through part of the.

Part of his journey, he crushed it.

I was telling you about that.

But Penny the pon that put the sigil on when she kind of saw who he was.

So she.

Cuz she could.

She's like her power, I guess, is like a seer.

And she kind of thought, oh crap.

But that whole when you said that.

Okay, now I'm understanding that because I was thinking they've been traveling together and she didn't know him like well, the.

Last episode with that was like her character's journey was explained.

So everything.

Which was great.

I think the way they edited it was.

Was good.

It was also very interesting.

I feel like an analogy to like Alzheimer's dementia.

Like I.

I feel like that's kind of the vibe they were going for of like how disjointed it can feel.

That's just my own opinion.

But yeah, if you go on threads, that is where it is at.

If you want theories and people figuring out things and discussions on the show, threads is where it's at because people have to really get.

That's where I first saw someone saying who Teen actually was.

And I was like, I Texted Katie.

And I was like, oh, my God, is this.

Is this true?

She's like, comic book says it is.

Yeah, I won't be going on there.

It makes a lot of sense, actually, when you start hearing everything, and then all of a sudden he starts remembering some things, and, you know, he has a vision.

I think he has a vision, you know, where he hears his name and here's the.

His brother's name, and it kind of starts to wake him up a little bit more.

He died or something, Right?

Okay.

So, yes.

So Billy Kaplan was a separate person.

And again, that's also from the comics, but he died.

This is like a major, major spoiler.

So he died in the car accident.

And then that was as the hex was coming down.

So basically, Billy's spirit was able to come out of the hex and find Billy.

Billy Maximov.

Yes, Maximov.

But so that.

So he thinks because he did that, that means Tommy must be out there somewhere, too.

And that.

That.

I had to ask Katie, too, before the last episode.

I was like, I don't understand how the.

The Billy.

Regular Billy, the one that died in the car crash, I don't understand how he could be living in the same time as the Hex.

Because we saw that the hex was coming down.

So, like, if it's the same person.

How did that happen?

And then she kind of explained it.

Like, once he died, the spirit kind of jumped into his body.

So in the.

In the.

In the books, in the comics, again, I haven't read them, but I've read about them.

What?

So there's a character called Mephisto, and he was the one that everybody thought was going to show up in Wandavision.

Everybody thought it was going to show up here.

That's why one of the characters mentioned him briefly, and I was like, oh, he made it.

It's just mentioned, but he actually is the one that.

He tricks Wanda in the comics to basically bring pieces of his soul into, like, the world.

So that.

That's where the.

The twins are actually pieces of Mephisto's soul.

And then when she kind of tears it all down, those pieces, like, still exist, but they go away.

So then they get reincarnated into other people and they become.

They become the Young Avengers.

This is, like, just comic book lore.

They become the young Avengers.

So they kind of did it a little different in this because they didn't bring in Mephisto in the first place.

So they still have, like, the pieces of the souls.

They're just not belonging to the devil.

Essentially, Man, I don't know if that explains it or makes it worse, but.

No, no, no.

It's intricate.

I mean, it's kind of various.

I guess it would almost help to have read the comic books.

Yeah, well, now I just read the comic books.

I think we probably really should have went back prior to starting this and watched a little bit more.

More of all of that, I guess.

And I think everybody out there that's watching or listening that it might be a recommendation.

If you haven't, I would suggest go back and watch those things.

WandaVision.

Yeah, watch.

WandaVision and watch.

You can still, like.

You can still understand it, Dr.

Shortage, but you'll appreciate it more if you know everything that's involved, because I'm, like, enjoying it.

Also, there's a lot of wizard of Oz references in this.

Oh, Yellow Witches.

Road.

The Road.

The Road.

The last episode.

Yep.

She.

And so Lilia was the only one that was dressed as a good witch.

And she ends up giving them a brain, a heart and courage.

Just saying.

Just.

It's all fun.

It's very fun.

And I didn't realize that till I was on Threads and saw somebody say it.

And I was like, how'd I miss that?

Yeah, I guess I missed that completely.

She gives.

Huh?

No, like, giving.

I think, giving.

The.

The brain and all that.

Oh, yeah, that.

Katie had to explain that to me, too, because I missed it.

Yeah, I immediately.

I immediately go onto Threads after every episode because that's when people are like, I'm figuring this out.

Like.

And I figured out something.

What about Aubrey I should put on there?

So Aubrey Plaza's character, Spoiler was.

Was revealed as the character Lady Death that's also a character from the comics, but she's like, Death.

And so I think that's how.

When she said, that boy is not yours, that's how she knew that he was actually dead.

Yeah.

And then there's another episode where Agatha's mom comes back as a ghost.

And.

Yeah, this is what I should.

I should put this on Threads.

This is my.

My little theory that I realized.

Chief defends her at one point when she says, like, they.

The.

The ghost wants Agatha.

And Rio says, no, no way.

You can't have her.

Something like that.

And then they say, they're like, you just wanted to, like, kill her a second ago.

What's going on?

Well, I figured out it's because she's Death, so the mom can't have her.

Death has to have her.

And she said that their whole thing is that she's Waiting to get her power back so they can have a fight or something.

That part of felt was a little weak, but we went with it.

It's fine.

So I do have a question, Katie, because you said that death obviously knows that Agatha's son is dead because she's dead.

Couldn't it also be the opposite and be like, oh, he's nowhere in my death book realm, so who knows if he is?

I haven't seen him.

Could be maybe a spirit's floating around somewhere and waiting.

So, yeah, she didn't take him.

Speaking of Rio, Aubrey Plaza's character, Rio.

Right.

Yeah, I've got that right.

Okay.

So many characters, so they obviously have a history.

But if she was locked in the spell in her mind, then how it was.

How did she even go?

A long time ago.

Long time ago.

And so she still remembers things outside of the spell spell in her mind.

When she was.

She broke out of this.

So.

So when she broke.

When she was still in it, when she showed up.

When Rio showed up at the.

At the police department.

Okay.

Work with each other.

They knew each other.

Right.

Well, she knew that she didn't like her, but she couldn't remember why.

I.

I think it's because Rio was like a federal agent and she was the small town detective.

And, you know, like in these shows, whenever the feds come in, the actual detectives are like, this is my case.

This is.

Nice job.

Yeah.

But they still seem to have.

Really, it's the feds going, we're taking over your case.

And we're going, no, I worked too hard on it.

And then the feds go, we're taking it anyway because we're the big boys.

Exactly.

So I think it.

They kind of place that kind of storyline on it as like, the enemy kind of thing, just to keep it in the spell.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But, yeah, when she was there, she couldn't remember why.

And we don't actually know yet.

We still don't know.

Okay.

I didn't know.

According to threads.

Actually, there is a theory about it, if you want to hear it.

Well, of course.

That's what we're probably the same theory.

I'm thinking, like, what are you thinking?

No, I want to hear yours first.

Well, I think they seem to be.

It seemed romantic.

Yes, it seems like thing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They were implying that they had a romantic relationship.

That's what you're saying.

Right.

But what.

But what broke off the relationship is like, where the theory kind of comes in.

Okay.

Okay.

So people think that when Agatha sacrificed her son to get the Darkhold.

She expected Rio to, like, control it or resurrect him, and then she didn't.

So that's why she's real mad, which, again, I don't know.

That's just a theory.

That makes sense, though.

It already makes sense.

Makes sense.

I mean, all of it is very intricate.

I mean, I love the fact that, you know, there's been several offshoots from this, you know, universe between the mar.

It's the Marvel universe.

Correct.

So this is all part of the Marvel universe.

And I know that they've tried several offshoots, and in fact, they unfortunately canceled a couple of them that really didn't make it.

This, I think, was a nice reinvention, or never say a reinvention.

A nice addition to the story and the story lines that.

That.

It's kind of like almost.

You're.

You're almost going to.

Getting a closure, but not.

Maybe not completely, but, you know, you want to know what's going to happen.

I feel like it's a continuation.

Ish.

Of WandaVision.

Like, you don't want WandaVision to end, but it was a limited series, obviously, so they just kind of kept it going with Agatha and just.

Yeah, yeah, well.

And the people that did WandaVision who were brilliant were not involved with Multiverse of Madness.

And that's kind of why it went off the rails, because it wasn't supposed to be like that.

It lost the director.

They went through, like, two or three different directors and two or three different writers, and it all changed.

And it wasn't supposed to be that.

That crazy.

It was supposed to be like, a more gradual shift, but then it.

It became what it became, and that's okay.

It was fun.

But it certainly wasn't the story that I think the WandaVision writers wanted to tell.

So I feel like they're kind of trying to fix it a little bit with Agatha, but.

Interesting.

That makes sense, actually.

Very interesting.

I like the way that it.

It is progressing.

I've not heard anything about whether or not they've been picked up is the.

Only issue that I'm seeing necessarily.

They don't get.

They don't get picked up or anything.

There's, like, a plan.

They always have a plan.

So, like, WandaVision was only planned for one season.

It doesn't get.

It's not like traditional television.

It's.

Right.

They have, like, their own things.

So I don't know if they have a second season planned.

I don't think so, though.

They usually just.

I think they're gonna finish The Road, the season finale.

So I'm not sure what they would be able to do after that.

Stuff I've been reading, at least in the Hollywood Reporter and Variety and those kind of magazines have indicated that the possibility does exist for a season two for it to continue.

That's kind of what I've heard too.

I mean, it would be great.

I would Hope so, because WandaVision definitely ended too quickly.

I think they could have.

I mean, I understand why it ended the way it did.

I understand that there had to be a conclusion.

You can't go on forever, you know, the way it was going on, I.

Just felt like things moved.

Things moved too quickly in that for me, I was.

I started to get really lost.

But that.

Well, they probably had to go ahead.

I'm just saying that they probably had to do it specific, like specifically on a timeline to get to the multiverse of Madness filming.

Yes.

And it was also because of COVID everything was about to shut down.

So they had to shove everything in there all at once.

So it did shorten it a bit because it was right before COVID Yeah.

And there were other shows that did that too.

I can't think of them off the top of my head.

But I remember that there was a lot.

They shortened a whole bunch.

They shortened all of our normal regular TV shows, like.

And everything.

Everything moved really quickly in every center.

A lot of shows.

Yeah, all those got really cut short.

And then it took a long time to come back.

They finished right before everything shut down, so.

Which isn't cool.

Well, you know, what are you excited about seeing in the finale that's coming up here?

Because obviously what we have seen is a transformation of her waking up and realizing who she really is.

And then, you know, she's realizing that this.

This teen, this kid that broke into her house to get some stuff basically that pertain to what this journey is.

And what we see is an evolution of both of those characters.

Actually, I think we've seen an evolution of all the characters to a point.

But from this perspective, what do you hope to see in the finale?

I guess it would be a.

How long are those episodes?

I haven't paid attention.

They all.

They're all different.

They're really.

They're.

They're shorter than I'd like.

They're definitely like 30 to 40ish minutes.

Maybe one of them is like over 50, though.

So they just vary.

Well, let's say in two hours or less, then they're going to wrap this up.

If they wrap it up or whether or not.

You feel they're going to have something else.

What's everybody's.

Let's start with Diane.

Let's start with you.

What do you want to see?

No, we'll start with me.

Okay.

I'm still conf.

Now.

Okay.

Let me just preface this with.

I fall asleep a lot during TV anymore.

So the last episode, we had to re.

Watch, like, three times because I kept falling asleep.

It's not like it's such a good episode.

I'm just.

I'm just tired.

So it's not.

It's not anything about the show.

So there were two characters that seem to me are gone, and I don't want them to be gone, and I don't know if they are.

I actually.

I read an article or I read a tweet today.

Not a tweet.

Geez.

I read a thread today on threads.

Is that the proper verbiage?

I don't know.

I have no idea where the.

The actual.

Like, the writers and the actual creators of the show confirmed that the people who die in the show are not coming back.

It's permanent.

What?

No.

I'm so sad right now.

But they also sometimes say things that aren't true.

We thought Wanda was dead.

She comes back.

No, that's what I asked.

That's what I was gonna say.

I want her to be there at the end.

I know.

Well, they asked at the.

Like, in one In.

Was it this last one?

But they said, like, is Wanda Maximo really dead?

And she's like, yes.

No.

Maybe.

Maybe.

Everybody's like, yeah, we.

Yeah.

Like, what if Billy's trying to find his brother?

And at the end.

That would be great.

At the end.

He really meant to say mother and not brother, you know, could, I guess, be that way?

Right.

That would be great.

So, Nicole, what do you want to see?

I just did it.

I want Wanda to be there at the end.

You want to be Wanda?

I want to be Wanda.

Like, back no longer in the dark world, back to just being the regular Scarlet Witch and right there for her kid.

And then they go on a journey to find Tommy together.

I like it.

I like it.

That's a good one.

Caitlin, what are your thoughts?

Yeah, I don't think I really have any, because I've.

I'm just open.

I'm open to the journey.

We'll see what happens.

I don't mind it being, like.

I don't mind this being Agatha's, like, redemption or whatever.

I don't mind it being her story.

If Wanda doesn't show Up.

That's okay.

But it would be freaking cool if she did.

Do you think Agatha needs redemption?

Yes.

I wonder if.

I wonder if her kid is gonna be at the end instead of the magic.

And, like, deep down, Deep, deep, deep, deep down, she wants the kid back, but she thinks she wants her magic.

But it's actually the kid.

There's a little more of the comic book lore that I learned about in.

In the books, apparently, she sacrificed the kid to, you know, create the Darkhold.

And then in.

Again, I haven't read it, so I don't know, but I guess at one point, the.

A kid comes back, and he is the Darkhold.

Like, he becomes.

Everything that's in the Darkhold is now wrapped up in the kid.

Then.

Could that be teen?

Could that be teen?

No, I don't think it's teen.

I think it could be that if.

If she's looking to get her power back, the power was found in the Darkhold.

So if she wants her kid, she.

Wants him to get the Darkhold.

So, yeah, that's.

I think it could be that she gets her kid back at the end of the road.

That gives her her power because he is the Darkhold.

What if he had.

What if she has to choose between them again, though?

Well, then that's the cliffhanger, and we get a season.

I should be a show writer.

I don't think I've ever said my.

Like, what.

What I thought should have happened at the end of.

You know how, like, there's always a cutscene after, like, most Marvel movies?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I thought.

Do you guys want to hear what I thought should have been the cutscene after Multiverse of Madness?

Because it was good.

Yes.

Okay, so here's what I thought.

The cutscene.

Here's what I thought the cutscene should have been.

Should have been.

It should have been going like a drone shot over this little neighborhood, this little idyllic neighborhood.

And it goes.

Yes, it's Westview.

And it goes up to a house, and it shows a girl walking up in, like, a hood, and it just shows her back.

We don't see anything else.

We see her knock on the door, and then it opens, and you hear, hiya, hun.

Because that's what Agatha always said in WandaVision, but she was still trapped, and I thought that it would be Wanda showing up, because she said, you're going to need me.

And she said, I'll know where to find you.

Where to find you.

So then she knows she messed up, so she went back to help, and or to get help.

And then Agatha becomes her mentor, like she is in the comics.

But they didn't hire me, so they didn't get that ending.

Damn it.

They should have.

Because that should have hired you.

Isn't Wanda the.

Technically, this is spoiler, but at this.

Point, we're already past the spoilers.

Isn't she, like, technically the dead body that was found in the first episode?

Or was that just in her mind?

I think it was just in her mind.

There wasn't really a body because, remember.

They remember when the teen was looking at the pictures and she was going, you tell me about this.

Tell me about this.

Tell me what happened to her.

Tell me what happened to her.

And it was flowers.

Well, it could be that that's.

That she did die.

And that's when the spell.

When she was stuck in the spell is that she didn't know she died, but she saw the representation of that.

You talking about Wanda or Agatha being Agatha Body?

No, no.

Wanda wanna be in the body.

Yeah.

When in the morgue, she had a tag on her toe that said W.

Maxima.

Well, it came up that way.

I didn't.

I missed that.

There's that.

I've never seen that.

The date on the tag.

It was the library tag.

So she goes to the library to get the book.

Who knows why?

Just in her little mind thing.

And then on the.

And then the library card becomes the tag on the bottom, and then it comes up.

But here's a little Easter egg.

The date where it says w.

Maximoff is October 25th.

And that's the episode where we found out who teen was.

So that was fun.

Well, it could be William.

Yeah.

Could dinner be.

Yeah.

One.

It could be William.

Yeah.

Little Easter egg.

Can I just say.

Sorry, go ahead, go ahead.

I was just like.

Can I just say that when they officially, like, showed him and they panned up and he had the purple scarlet witch crown, and then the Billy Eilish song started playing.

And they're like.

I don't know the words, but they.

Were like, you should see me in a crown.

Yeah.

And it, like, went away.

And I'm like.

I have goosebumps talking about it.

That's the thing.

So in WandaVision, when.

When the little kid starts kind of having powers, it's blue.

And so when teen does his powers in that episode, they're blue.

That's kind of where it's like.

That's where.

No, Agatha's purple.

Yeah.

See, that's where it clicked for me when I saw him with the blue and, you know, the whole lit up everything.

For me.

I think what I want to see in this finale.

What I want to see.

And hopefully again, not the finale finale, but the finale of this, we'll say this season, this part of the miniseries, although it's listed as a miniseries.

So in reality, this is probably going to be the end of it, but let's hope not.

But I would like to see.

Maybe they'll continue it with something else.

Yeah, but I would like to see closure.

I like to see, you know, I like happy endings.

We all like happy endings.

So I think that, you know, each should get what they.

What they went there for.

You know, the going down the witches road, you're supposed to be able to find what you're looking for.

And I think deep down inside, I agree with you guys.

I think deep down inside, maybe Agatha, she thinks she wants the power, but in reality she really wants some a little different, you know, kind of a thing.

And, you know, Billy, maybe he's trying to find her or William or Teen, you know, maybe wants to find his brother.

Maybe he wants to bring.

Find his whole family.

Yeah.

So the next series they're doing is Vision Quest, and that's where Vision comes back.

Like, comes back or is it like a prequel?

I think it's going to be White Vision.

How he, like, became White Vision.

Yeah, that's how he.

Because he flew away and he got out of the house.

So he's just out there.

So.

Yeah, that might play into it.

I don't know.

I have no idea if that's gonna play into it, but we'll see.

There's also an idea that Agatha was never actually on the road, that she's.

This is her first time that she lied because she didn't know about.

They're like, well, what do we do?

What are we doing?

She's like, I don't know.

And makes it all up.

So.

And then they kind of called that out in the last episode.

They said, I don't think you've actually done this before.

And so I don't know what's going to happen with that.

If she hasn't done it before, hopefully she survives.

We'll see.

Maybe that's part of her memory stuff that just hadn't come back.

Yeah.

I wonder if only one person is allowed to, like, get something at the end of the road, though, because they keep.

They keep taking out characters.

So Shears, Amada.

Yeah, she's the last one that's like, not Agatha 13.

And those two are like the biggest Characters.

So I don't know if she's gonna make it in the last two.

And then one of them.

One of the last two might have to sacrifice and be like, okay, you get the end of the road or something.

Like, I don't know.

Can it be stories?

Well, you know, I.

Before we.

Before we wrap up, everything, what does.

Somebody's thing is going off.

Somebody's telling you a scary story.

Yes.

It happens.

It's been happening a lot lately.

Wait, I have a scary story starts going off.

I have a scary story related to this.

Agatha.

So we watched.

We watched the episode that was, like, the scariest episode in the hotel when we were at Disneyland.

And we had all the lights.

Well, we had one light on.

We had one light on.

Okay.

And it was like a spooky.

Spooky part.

And I think in the show, like, it was when all the lights went out, like.

Or the candles blew out or something.

Yeah, it was.

Yes.

Yeah.

Nikki interrupted me.

It was in the.

I was curious.

It was in the scary part, like, when the ghost, like, possessed Agatha and, like, they blew out the candles and the light in the hotel room went off.

Whoa.

Crazy.

At the same time.

At the same time.

It was really kind of scary.

Yeah.

Whoa.

Yeah.

I think it's because it was probably one of those.

It's, like, on a timer.

Oh, yeah.

But I don't know.

It sure was timed pretty.

Pretty right there.

It was kind of scary.

You know, we've all had experiences, so.

Well, this just popped through, and I'm on do not Disturb, and it.

Whatever.

Siri just went off and was talking about glowing eyes, and.

That'S why I was like, something's talking.

Anyway.

All right.

This has been a very long, crazy, nerdy discussion, so.

It has been a very long, nerdy discussion.

Did Maverick just walk by behind me?

Yes.

Okay.

I saw something out of the corner of my eye.

We're talking about scary stuff.

What a perfect opportunity.

Missed opportunity.

Because it said we didn't see anything.

That'd be mean.

Just a little shot.

Just a little shadow.

That would be mean.

Well, overall, for those people who have not seen this.

Yes.

No.

See it, don't see it, See it.

Go see this first stuff first and then the second stuff and then this.

Watch.

Watch WandaVision Multiverse of Madness and then watch this.

Yeah.

I don't know if you need Multiverse of Madness, do you, King?

I would think.

Well, that explains the beginning.

Oh, you wouldn't know.

Yeah.

Yeah, that'd be a good idea.

Yeah.

Well, so long since We've seen either of those.

I was very lost.

We don't.

We don't know how this is going to end either.

So there might be some questions from Multiverse.

That'd be a good idea.

So I would recommend it as well.

I think that you'll enjoy it.

It's a good family film.

It's great for October.

It's great for Halloween.

It's.

It's going to be.

It'll just be good.

So.

Yeah.

Anyway.

Well, thank you, girls.

Thank you for sharing all that with us.

We really appreciate it.

You educated us old folks on, you know.

For sure.

I just know too much about nerdy things.

I don't know.

Oh, it's great.

I mean, look, you cosplay, you do your thing with.

With.

You make an absolutely wonderful scarlet witch.

And, you know, you.

You hang with some of the characters at Disneyland that are also.

That's true.

Part of that.

I've met Wanda.

I've met Agatha.

Yes, you have.

Yeah, a couple times, maybe.

Dad, maybe you can pop up a quick picture in the.

In this of Katie as Scarlet Witch.

You don't have to.

If she.

If she gives permission, of course.

I think we should.

Well, we'll do it, Katie.

I think we should.

So.

Yeah, it's fine.

It's out there.

It's fine.

Send me one.

I'll put it up there.

Yeah, please do.

We should have them.

It may be out there, but.

But, hey, this is personal, so.

No, I don't.

You do make a really good scarlet witch, though, so.

Yes, you do.

Yeah.

So, yeah, we should.

Send me one just so I can put it up, please.

So, anyway, well, guys, thank you very much for helping me with this.

It's the Wednesday episode before Halloween, so this episode will be running before Halloween anyway, and I think that it makes a perfect segue into this scary night of Halloween, which we're ready for.

Well, that also means that the last two episodes are tonight.

It did.

Right now on Wednesday.

What is today as in.

As in.

Let's start as in the Wednesday you posted.

The Wednesday that you posted is the last two episodes.

Yes.

Okay, now I got you.

Do we want to start that over?

That's a calendar.

Yeah.

Let me mark that.

Yes.

Are we.

Are we pretending like it's Wednesday, or are we going to just say we're going to post it?

Have Wednesday?

Well, yeah.

Right.

We need to get that clear.

Yeah.

Here's the whole thing, because reality is, is that.

Yeah, I'm hot, too.

I.

I guess.

I guess we should say the.

We haven't spoiled.

I got it.

We're going to say we haven't spoiled the ending, which aired on Sunday night.

No, it airs Wednesday.

I mean.

Oh, it airs Wednesday.

It actually airs Wednesday today.

The date, the day that we.

So like Caitlin was saying, so you're right.

What you need to do is say, so catch up on it.

You got.

You got eight, you know, eight, nine hours to catch up on it before the finale.

So we should pretend.

Which is tonight.

Yeah, well, just say it's tonight.

Yeah.

Okay.

And they won't have time to catch up on it.

Yeah, but, you know, I've told people before, hurry up and catch up on stuff, so.

All right.

Okay.

Ready?

Three, two, one.

Cut in 2A.

So when's the finale, Katie?

Tonight, I think there's two episodes.

So they're doing both episodes on the same night is what I've understood.

It's a double finale.

Yes.

And it's.

I think they did that with WandaVision, too.

Is it Halloween Eve?

Halloween Eve.

Halloween.

Halloween Eve.

That's All Hallows Eve.

Oh, Hallows Eve.

There you go.

See that?

Yeah.

I was gonna say, isn't that All Hallows Eve Eve?

Right, right, right.

Yeah.

We're all ready for Halloween tomorrow.

We're ready for it.

Well, everybody, Happy Halloween out there.

Everybody, please stay safe and, you know, enjoy your candy, enjoy your treats, enjoy your spooky neighborhoods.

There's a bunch of them that we want to go see and.

Yeah.

So have a happy Halloween.

Happy Halloween.

Bye.

And one more thing before Happy Halloweeny.

As Agatha would say, happy Halloweeny.

Happy Halloweeny.

Yeah, she says that I'll have to.

Go back and I'll have to watch that.

Yeah, well, in.

In WandaVision, she says that when she's dressed as the witch on Halloween, we're just going to go back and watch Happy Halloween.

I've seen it too many times.

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